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既然点评到我了 我也就说2句。
第一 没有几个看空的。 满嘴流粪人身攻击的人不少。 说房价要跌的屈指可数。
第二 不要以为看空的都是没房的。给你举个例子 你要是1快钱的时候买了苹果的股票 还在乎苹果股价是120还是80嘛? 我反正不在乎。涨了也好 跌了也无所谓。够花就行了 钱到了一定水平就是个电脑上的数字。
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第四就是虚伪了 且不说多少人至少说过同情买不起房子的。但说看空的那就必然住basement。

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gtagta003 最后编辑于 2017-02-22 09:39:54

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加拿大地广人稀,不可能支撑高房价,随便盖就是了。非常好的一个point,但是supply方面,不仅仅是地,还有盖房子的人呢?地广是被突出了,人稀呢?人稀不只针对需求方面,还有建设方面啊,就算行政审批政府方面绿灯全开,你觉得以加拿大速度,多长时间可以盖好?而这段时间又有多少人可以减少买房热情?
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既然点评到我了 我也就说2句。第一 没有几个看空的。 满嘴流粪人身攻击的人不少。 说房价要跌的屈指可数。第二 不要以为看空的都是没房的。给你举个例子 你要是1快......
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原帖由 5051333        于 2/22/2017 10:38:27 AM 发表
看在LZ发的帖子这么有水平的份上,我就好好跟你说一次话:你在一个资本主义社会跟别人讲占用社会资源?资本主义的本质就是追逐资本,弱肉强食。你自己弱,就不要怪别人抢......
你既然说人话,我也回你一句。
你说的资本主义那套在国家资本主义的中国和自由资本主义的美国没毛病。我也不去评论美国和中国房市。
可这是加拿大,加拿大是社会主义国家。富人收入的53。53%纳税来给穷人,支持社会福利。加拿大是一个倡导平等自由的国家。这是加拿大的普适价值。既然来了加拿大就要适应加拿大的价值。你喜欢弱肉强食怎么不去wall street 工作去?
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原帖由 gtagta003 于 2/22/2017 10:56:15 AM 发表
你既然说人话,我也回你一句。你说的资本主义那套在国家资本主义的中国和自由资本主义的美国没毛病。我也不去评论美国和中国房市。可这是加拿大,加拿大是社会主义国家。富......

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The Development of Capitalism in Canada

Capitalist relations in Canada date back to the earliest days of European colonization and the subjugation of the Aboriginal peoples. Colonial structures developed on the basis of early mercantile capitalism, based on trade – primarily fish, fur and timber – between the colonies and France and Britain. As the settlements expanded, and as capital accumulated, the first small capitalist enterprises began to appear. Gradually, larger-scale operations, especially in forestry and shipbuilding, were started.

By the time of Confederation in 1867, industrial expansion was well under way, aided by the development of shipping and railways, and by the introduction of steam-power and other technological advances.

As a dependent colony, Canada was under the domination of British capital. Early in the 20th century however, trade and debt dependence on Britain was gradually replaced with an even more debilitating dependence on U.S. capital and technology. U.S.-based capital gained control of the key sectors of the Canadian economy, particularly manufacturing and natural resources. This process resulted in Canada becoming more integrated into and more dependent on the U.S. economy than any other developed capitalist country. This in turn has deepened distortions in the structure of the Canadian economy. The growing presence of U.S. and other transnationals increased pressures for the exploitation of Canadian natural resources. It has also led to a massive and growing outflow of profits, interest, fees, and other transfers, stifling new development, jobs, and research, and easing the political and cultural penetration of U.S. imperialism.

Capitalism in Canada Today

Capitalism concentrates wealth and the ownership of the means of production into fewer and fewer hands. In Canada, as elsewhere, small producers, traders and farmers are pushed to the wall by bigger capitalist firms. Out of and alongside the cut-throat competition of early capitalism, monopolies began to emerge. A few huge concerns, in which banking and industrial capital are merged and which are manipulated by a handful of finance-capitalist tycoons, came to dominate the entire economy. This is the stage of monopoly capitalism, the economic basis of imperialism: the highest and final stage of capitalist development.

Finance capital, the fusion of bank and industrial capital, has become the dominant form of capital in Canada. Finance capital – both Canadian and foreign-based – controls giant transnational companies and banks which operate around the world increasingly in disregard of national interests

The most significant feature of present-day monopoly capitalism is the dominant place of transnational corporations (TNCs). Rapidly expanding flows of international finance capital for investment and speculation are destabilizing national and regional markets, and the global capitalist system as a whole. The struggle for global supremacy among a small number of giant TNCs – many wielding greater economic power than national governments and economies – is rapidly accelerating both the concentration of wealth (through corporate mergers, acquisitions and partnerships) and the growth of impoverishment on a world scale. Uneven development, an inherent feature of all stages of capitalism, is reaching unprecedented dimensions under the impact of capitalist globalization.

Despite its current economic and ideological power, monopoly capitalism is gripped by a profound, systemic crisis from which ultimately it cannot extricate itself – an all-pervading economic, political, and cultural crisis, which it seeks to solve through intensified exploitation, aggression and war.

5051333 最后编辑于 2017-02-22 11:09:08

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原帖由 gtagta003 于 2/22/2017 10:56:15 AM 发表
你既然说人话,我也回你一句。你说的资本主义那套在国家资本主义的中国和自由资本主义的美国没毛病。我也不去评论美国和中国房市。可这是加拿大,加拿大是社会主义国家。富......

自由资本主义加拿大比美国还要更甚。挣得越高税越高这是大部分国家的税率政策,加拿大也不例外。没有什么新鲜的。大部分富人都会通过tax heaven 来避税,之前从KPMG曝光的panama papers 就再一次证明了加拿大的价值观还是资本最大化的追逐

On the Economic Freedom Index, which ranks countries by the amount of freedom its citizens have to spend, invest and create business, Canada ranks above the United States. In fact this wiki shows two different indexes, both of which rank Canada higher than the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_economic_freedom


Canada has a stock market, which is the primary way of funding companies, which is the very definition of capitalism (the free flow of capital in the marketplace). The Canadian government has in fact divested itself of some crown corporations (Air Canada, Petro Canada, much of Atomic Energy of Canada), so the market is more free than it was 30 years back.

5051333 最后编辑于 2017-02-22 11:37:06

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